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Post by medianoche on Jul 16, 2007 17:02:16 GMT 1
I agree that Azula is up to no good, but Zuko may take awhile to notice that. Zuko is what we call a "lost soul." He's been misguided and manipulated into joining Azula because he truely believes his father may love him again.
But Zuko won't retain this belief for long. He will obviously realize the truth. By the time he does, though, he will likely be at the point of no return. He will most likely be in the Fire Nation, with no easy path to freedom.
And even if he's not in the Fire Nation, he will be in Ba Sing Se, where he's prety much trapped inside the city. The Gaang isn't in any hurry to go back there either.
But STILL, you think he'll escape? Okay, let's pretend he does. Where on Earth will he go? Azula will know that he has betrayed her, so the "bad" side won't trust him. After the incident in the caves, the "good" side won't trust him either. You may think that this is something to be easily forgiven. It's not.
Katara, for however short a period of time, believed that she could relate to Zuko, and showed compassion to his plight. She thought she could help him out, show him the light. And THEN....
"I thought you had changed!"
"I HAVE changed!"
Yeah, for the worse. Katara's trust was completely broken. She is not naive, not anymore. "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you." Katara is not going to trust Zuko again. And, as Aang is so deeply connected to Katara, neither will he. You have to remember that Zuko is the only reason that Azula won. He is the only reason why Aang became a lightning rod and has a huge scar on his back. Zuko is the reason why the Earth Kingdom has fallen.
The Avatar and his closest friends aren't going to take that lightly.
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Post by tyleefreak on Jul 16, 2007 19:00:09 GMT 1
its funny that you left iroh's influence out of this... cus that is one of the strong points in zutara!! dont you think azula will continue hunting down the gaang?? maybe zuko will realise in time that he has chosen wrong... and in a fight, he will suddenly choose the 'good' side katara and the gaang wont trust it, but iroh will see that this is real... the first one to trust zuko (after iroh) will be toph because she doesn't kno zuko tat well and she knows the good side of iroh already... katara will trust him eventualy as well! they willprobably have an intimite moment and maybe they'll kiss and iroh will be watching it, grinning  |
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Post by kataangist on Jul 16, 2007 19:41:51 GMT 1
what is solee?
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Post by medianoche on Jul 17, 2007 21:25:33 GMT 1
Solee is another name for Ty Lee/Sokka.
Iroh's influence? Okay, I'll talk about that. Yes, Iroh is a very influential person in Zuko's life. Throughout the second season, he has helped shaped Zuko into a marginally better person than he was before.
And yet, Zuko's decision in the season finale shows that he was willing to betray his uncle to get what he wants. Yes, he has regrets about it, but he still went through with it, didn't he?
By the time Zuko decides to turn to the good side, Iroh may well be dead. It's a sad concept, but all too likely.
Azula has just conquered the Earth Kingdom. She can't just leave now. "If you want it done right, do it yourself." She can't trust Ba Sing Se to Mai, Ty Lee, the Dai Li, Long Feng, or Zuko, so the only choice she has is to stay there.
And then there's the fact that she believes the Avatar to be dead. She is not aware of Katara's healing powers (though Zuko may tell her). At the moment, she is convinced she has pretty much won the war for the Fire Nation: dead Avatar, conquered Earth Kingdom... So she will not go chasing after Aang anytime soon.
Zuko and Iroh will most likely be sent to the Fire Nation. Zuko will naively believe that Ozai MIGHT love him again, but will be sorely disappointed. Iroh will likely be executed for treason, and Zuko will be stuck in the Fire Nation, with a new realization: he's fighting for the wrong side.
If, by a small chance, he does happen to find his way out of the Fire Nation (with or without Iroh alive), the chances that Zuko will find Aang are slim to none, and the chances he will WANT to find them are even less.
Alright, so you still disagree? Then let's say Zuko does find the Gaang. You wanna know how they'll react? They'll attack him with everything they've got. And if Aang and Katara have told Toph and Sokka about what happened, they're not going to accept Zuko either (whether Iroh's there or not).
Okay, so let's say everything settles down after a few minutes. The Gaang may not mind Iroh, but Zuko is a different story. He won't fit in. Not by a long shot. And even if he does, Katara and Zuko will never "have an intimite moment and maybe they'll kiss."
Katara and Zuko just do not function well as a couple. Zutarians say that since they are perfect opposites, and they're fire and water so OMG they must be the perfect couple. This is not true. Zuko and Katara are more alike than you think.
For one, they both have tempers. Nasty tempers. And if one of them every gets angry at the other (which is extremely likely), the other won't just back down. They'll yell back.
There are a lot of other reasons their personalities clash, but most f those reach into a future that won't happen anyway, so why bother?
In short, Zutara won't happen because:
-Zuko isn't very popular with anyone right now.
-He'll likely be far away in the Fire Nation.
-He might not come to his sense for a long time (like, you know, AFTER the gaang has left the Earth Kingdom, probably during the final battle).
-Katara and Zuko are just not compatible.
-Must I go on?
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Post by tyleefreak on Jul 17, 2007 22:42:18 GMT 1
-you say right now... this will change by influence of iroh!! (who will be with the gaang)
-zuko allways found aang, he is able to do so again...
-he wont come to sense real quick but i guess half season 3...
-they have things in comment and differences katara will see the things they have in comment...
their differences will only give heir relation more strenght...
-please, DO continue...
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Post by medianoche on Jul 18, 2007 19:48:19 GMT 1
"-you say right now... this will change by influence of iroh!! (who will be with the gaang)
-he wont come to sense real quick but i guess half season 3..."
It won't be changed quickly enough. Zuko will always be an outsider in the Gaang. It would take years for the rift between them to heal, if at all. Half a season is what, maybe a month? Not enough time. He most likely won't even SEE them until the final battle.
"-zuko allways found aang, he is able to do so again..."
Just because Zuko has found Aang in the past doesn't mean he will find him in the future. If I flipped a coin 10 times and it landed on heads all 10 times, does it mean that it is more likely to land on heads the eleventh time? No.
"-they have things in comment and differences katara will see the things they have in comment... their differences will only give heir relation more strenght..."
First off it's "common," not "comment."
Second, I agree, they have some things in common, and some differences, which, in any other case, would be a good thing. But in this case, they don't balance each other. They have all the wrong things in common and all the wrong differences. The combination of things in common and differences is in a way that would screw up any attempt at a romantic relationship.
Now, I'm all for a platonic Zutara relationship. In other words, JUST FRIENDS. That, they could deal with. But try to get them closer, and everything falls apart.
"-please, DO continue..."
Okay, if you really want me to... Another reason Zutara won't happen is because Kataang WILL. Why, you ask?
The main building block of Kataang is the underlying bond of friendship. Their trust in each other is so complete, that they are the most important people in each other's lives. Where would Aang be without Katara? Still frozen inside that iceberg. Where would Katara be without Aang? Still at the South Pole, just waiting for the Fire Nation to win the war.
But Katara found Aang, and Aang changed Katara's life for the better. Now, they are each other's rock, supporting each other in times of need. Katara is the only one who can calm Aang from the Avatar State. Aang knows how to calm Katara's temper (when she exploded at him in The Waterbending Scroll, his hurt look was enough to keep her temper in check). Aang showed Katara fun, humor, and the better side of life. Katara showed Aang maturity and responsibility. They balance each other more than Katara and Zuko ever will.
As for romance, well... that isn't much of a transition from where they are already. Aang already knows he loves Katara. Katara has actually considered the possibility of a romantic relationship with Aang. All that has to happen is Aang admitting how he feels, and Katara realizing that she feels the same way.
Kataang was meant to happen. As Mike and Brian said, it's "in the DNA of the show."
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Post by Atfiel on Jul 19, 2007 2:31:55 GMT 1
dang, i was gone for a 1 day, and you guys are already starting.. mmm.. let see, Zutara will happen, one she understands him.. when Zuko joins, you just see.. Good job defending Zutara TL.. ;d ;d
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Post by tyleefreak on Jul 19, 2007 13:37:05 GMT 1
remember that aang is the avatar, he is bound to be alone...
and maybe kataang happens, but it doesn't have to last forever...
i dont see we can compromise on this...
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Post by kataangist on Jul 19, 2007 13:55:14 GMT 1
we will bl**dy comprimise! (LOL) ((JK))
kataang will happen even if katara is 14 and aang's only 12
(toyboy ain't bad)
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Post by medianoche on Jul 19, 2007 19:12:20 GMT 1
remember that aang is the avatar, he is bound to be alone... and maybe kataang happens, but it doesn't have to last forever... i dont see we can compromise on this... Yes, but Aang is also the last Airbender... As in, he needs to repopulate an entire civilization... And it has never been stated, nor implied, that the Avatar is bound to be alone. For example, Avatar Kuruk was engaged to be married. A compromise? Okay, how about this: I'll admit that, in an extremely AU setting, Zutara is possible. There are a few Zutara authors who can make it work, and it can make a very attractive picture. There are limitless possibilities in fanon. But you have to realize that, in canon (on the show), Katara and Zuko are in no way attracted to each other, and have no chance of a romantic relationship. |
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Post by sweet on Jul 20, 2007 2:28:39 GMT 1
okay.... I dont know what your talking about, but, I just want to say a few things --My only main ship is tykka/tylokka/solee, even thou, I dont really want them to kiss, well I do, but haven't you all noticed every girl sokka kissed died?? --Anyway, I repect zutara, for no matter how many obstacles are putted in its ship way, the keep hoping. That's admirable --I actually like kataang, but...not too much, I just belive it's cute. ---why do most of the main ships go around Katara or Sokka???  |
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Post by kataangist on Jul 20, 2007 12:14:03 GMT 1
cos they are the main girl and boy except aang who can only ship toph and katara!
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Post by tyleefreak on Jul 20, 2007 16:12:53 GMT 1
i still believe that there is a chance...
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Post by kataangist on Jul 20, 2007 17:12:20 GMT 1
what aang and ty lee!!!!!!!!!  |
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Post by Atfiel on Jul 20, 2007 18:47:07 GMT 1
Aang and Ty Lee.. !! NO WAY, UNACCEPTABLE..!! IS MORE UNACCEPTABLE THAN AANG AND KATARA..!! ;D ;D Lol..
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Post by kataangist on Jul 21, 2007 16:04:19 GMT 1
i agree!
1 prob about dat! ty lee is taller than aang!
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Post by Nour_C on Jul 22, 2007 6:57:04 GMT 1
Okay.... No offense to anyone, but some sense must be brought into this discussion. Please, to all you Zutara/Taang/etc. shippers, try to keep an open mind.
Just to clear it up, I'm a die-hard Kataang and a Tokka shipper, I don't really care who Zuko ends up with as long as it isn't Katara or Toph. (W00t!) -cough-
Anyhow....On with my Zutara/Kataang ranting!:
(This gets me SO irritated...) Aang is not "just a kid". And if you think he is, you obviously haven't seen the entire series so far. Aang has greatly matured since the first season. Watch every episode over in order and you'll notice a difference. He doesn't exactly play around anymore, he's more serious about being the Avatar and completing his training. He's not that "little boy" who asked Katara Penguin Sledding in the 1st episode anymore. And to be honest, I think he's more "Together" than Zuko, if you get what I mean. -shrugs- I completely agree with medianoche.
Now, I'm willing to listen to reason and be realistic, there's very little -cough- some reasonable evidence of Zutara. Like, the 'Cave of Two Lovers' story/song. I find that very interesting. Also, I don't believe Aang and Katara kissed there. n_____n lol
Further more, that whole "Opposites Attract" thing is (I'm sorry, but) a bunch of crap in my opinion. It's a lot easier to be compatible with someone when you have more in common. Especially when you have the right things in common, like medianoche said earlier.
Meh, that's all I'll say for now. C=
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Post by kataangist on Jul 22, 2007 15:57:46 GMT 1
i agree Nor_C!!!!
i couldn't have put it better myself!!!!!!
karma for you!
and i'm finilly happy to see a fellow Tokka!
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Post by Nour_C on Jul 22, 2007 16:26:08 GMT 1
i agree Nor_C!!!! i couldn't have put it better myself!!!!!! karma for you! and i'm finilly happy to see a fellow Tokka! Hehe, thanks! n______n You ship Tokka!? -hugs-
-sigh- I was reading...and now I will rant again about Kataang/Zutara. xDD
This whole "Zuko will teach Aang Firebending and then Zutara will happen" hypothesis is just as crappy as the "Opposites Attract" Theory. It's almost amazing how easily lead some Zutarians/Taangers are. -shakes head- Anyhow, some of you say that when Zuko realizes he's "on the wrong side" he will set Iroh free and they will join the gaang. Then Zuko will teach Aang Firbending and Zutara will gradually begin to blossom. Did you all ever consider than Iroh is more powerful than Zuko when it comes to Firebending? He would be the one to teach Aang, not Zuko. Further more, I believe Katara and Zuko will become great friends, but they are not romantically compatible, their relationship (in the long-run) would never work out, not even in the real world. In short, (but again, of course) I agree with medianoche.
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Post by medianoche on Jul 22, 2007 18:22:55 GMT 1
^Thank you very much, Nor_C. I happen to love shipping wars; arguing is what I do best. XD I'm glad to see a couple more Kataang fans on board!
If Zutara ever had ANY chance of happening, it was before the season two finale. But those two episodes have now set in stone the fate of Zutara: TO DIE.
As for who Aang can be paired up with.... the possibilities are quite endless. You should see some of the stuff people come up with: Aang/Azula, Aang/Suki, Ty Laang (as you have discovered), Aang/Sokka, Aang/Gyatso, Aang/Zuko, Aang/Ozai... Freaky stuff. And that's just with Aang.
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